Planet of the humans: A reheated mess of lazy, old myths

This is the the first in a series on Planet of the Humans. The other posts are here:

Post 2 – on where we’re at in 2020, with climate and clean tech

Post 3 – on the ‘bigger picture’ of the film, and why the film is so harmful

 


 

The film ‘Planet of the Humans’ opens with the director, Jeff Gibbs, operating a fossil-fuelled combustion engine vehicle, on a road full of combustion engine vehicles, followed up with some footage taken from the International Space Station (fossil fuelled rockets put that in space).

This is not a documentary about the environmental damage that had to occur for Gibbs to go on his drive – it is not mentioned. Nor is it about the harm from fossil fuels.

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It is about why renewable energy is bad. I used to work in the renewable energy industry – first, with wind farms and later in research, government agencies and advocacy groups. So it was hard to resist both watching and reviewing this one, considering it launched on ‘Earth Day’, and it has been widely promoted.

Not only is the documentary bad, it’s old bad. Please join me on this journey back in time. It won’t be fun, but I’m glad you’re here with me.

 

All of the stuff in this documentary is ancient

It is clear that Gibbs has been trying to make this documentary for a long, long time.

“He is currently working on a film about the state of the planet and the fate of humanity”, read his bio, in 2012. It is clear, digging into these early posts, that he very passionately loathes the burning of trees to generate energy – a wildly controversial and genuinely problematic thing, for sure.

But as early as 2010, Gibbs was posting HuffPost blogs extending that into wind and solar, too.

This one, for instance, repeats a bog-standard list of anti-wind and anti-solar memes that, back in 2010, were fashionable among climate deniers. The ‘wind and solar are too intermittent’ meme, for instance, is a great hallmark of that era. “How much variable energy can a grid accept? Around ten percent, twenty percent tops it appears”, he wrote back then. I’d include examples of grids with higher percentages operating without a hitch today, but it feels almost cruel.

The extreme oldness of this documentary stands out. In one instance, he tours a solar farm in Lansing, Michigan, in which a bemused official states that a large farm can only power ten homes in a year.

It is the Cedar Street Solar Array, a 150 kilowatt 824 (that’s small) panel farm in downtown Lansing. Guess when that bad boy was built? 2008. Twelve years ago – an absolute eternity, in solar development years.

As PV Magazine writes, “The film reports on a solar installation in Michigan with PV panels rated at “just under 8 percent” conversion efficiency. It’s difficult to identify the brand of panel in the film (Abound?) — but that efficiency is from another solar era”. Efficiency gains in solar have been so rapid that by leaving the dates off his footage he is very actively deceiving the audience. The site generates 64-64 MWh a year, according to the owner – a more recent installation in the same area generates around 436. The footage really is from another era. It’s like doing a documentary on the uselessness of mobile phones but only examining the Motorola Ultrasleek.

Later, they visit the Solar Energy Generating System (SEGS) solar farm, only to feign sadness and shock when they discover it’s been removed, leaving a dusty field of sand. In the desert. “Then Ozzie and I discovered that the giant solar arrays had been razed to the ground”, he moans. “It suddenly dawned on me what we were looking at. A solar dead zone”.

Which is a weird one, because the site they were visiting, SEGS-1 and SEGS-2 site in Daggett, was midway through being replaced with upgraded solar PV, which generates significantly more electricity, is cheaper, has no site emissions and has no water usage, compared to the 1984 technology.

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The old SEGs (image – 2014)
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The new SEGs (aka Sunray 2 and 3)

Sunray 2 and 3 are now generating electricity – significantly more than the old site.  97,631 megawatt hours in 2018. You could run a toaster for 9,288 years, by my calculations. There is a 650 megawatt expansion planned – to be built over existing human-impacted land.

In a red flag for any veteran of the wind farm debate, Gibbs then uses footage of a collection of old wind turbines – rusted, gross and horrible – to illustrate the short life and lasting damage of these huge spiky bastards.

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If you’re familiar with the network of anti-wind farm groups, you’ll recognise that they’re old machines from South Point on Big Island, Hawaii. They were removed in 2012, by the owner of the facility. All that is left now are small hexagonal pads on farmland used by the cattle that roam it:

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The farm’s owner kept the old bits of turbine around, for whatever reason….

“Why for most of my life, have I fallen for the illusion that green energy would save us?” It sounds like he’s saying this in 2020, but he is saying it well in the past. Gibbs was posting anti-wind memes roughly 23 full epidemics ago.

Nothing in this is new. With regards to its wind and solar parts, it smacks of 2010s era climate change denial, in which renewables were seen by detractors as expensive, wasteful, low-capacity, heavily corporatised and destined to fail. Things are different in 2020, but the director isn’t. He doesn’t need to be.

 

Even the ideas are old

Putting aside the sites they visit and the footage they use, there are some ideas in this documentary that are well worn and highly recognisable memes from the 2009 – 2013 climate denial wonder years.

You can tell when someone’s knowledge of this has formed solely from doing a Google search for “solar panels bad don’t like”, and it really shows in this film.

Early on in the documentary, Gibbs has an exchange with an anti-wind farm protester about coal-fired power:

Protester: You need to have a fossil fuel power plant backing it up and idling 100% of the time, because if you cycle up or cycle down as the demand on the wind comes through, you actually generate a bigger carbon footprint if you ran it straight”

Gibbs: Do you ever go to things where they just go “Oh, that’s not true, it doesn’t matter we’re going to have a smart grid”?

Protester: Doesn’t make any difference, they still gotta– they’re using it. You gotta have it idling. Because, let’s just say the wind stopped right now. Just stopped for an hour. You’ve got to have that power

This extremely silly concept – that coal-fired power stations run at 100% capacity all the time regardless of how much power they output – is so old it hurts my brain. In fact, it was big in 2012, when I came across it in Australian media. It’s wrong. If the power plant generates less electricity, it uses less coal. Gibbs is putting this eight-year-old meme in the microwave and serving it up in for his audience.

Later, he presents the work of a researcher named Richard York, who claims that the addition of renewable energy has no impact on fossil fuel output. I can’t access the paper, which is from – you guessed it – 2012, but the premise is mind-numbingly silly.

Electric grids match supply and demand at all times. Energy generated from one new source has to replace energy generated from an existing source – the grid would collapse, if it didn’t. That is why South Australia’s grid looks like this:

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Via OpenNEM

And Denmark looks like this:

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I made this chart for this

Things start to get into proper, outright, anti-vax / climate denier grade misinformation when producer Ozzie Zehner comes in.

“One of the most dangerous things right now is the illusion that alternative technologies like solar and wind are somehow different from fossil fuels”, he tells Gibbs. “You use more fossil fuels to do this than you’re getting benefit from it. You would have been better off just burning fossil fuels in the first place, instead of playing pretend” .

It is, in fact, possible to scientifically examine the emissions associated with making, transporting and erecting renewable energy, and compare it to the emissions saved by using it. There are just so many studies on this, but here’s the Breakthrough Institute’s Zeke Hausfather:

It’s important to be really clear about this: Zehner’s remarks in this film are toxic misinformation, on par with the worst climate change deniers. No matter which way you look at it, there is no chance that these projects lead to a net increase in emissions.

Gibbs attends a solar conference – again in some non-specific year – and is told by a bunch of obviously well-meaning and slightly baffled young renewable energy experts (literally the only young, diverse people in the film) that battery storage is a way of managing intermittency.

“When I looked up how much battery storage there is, it was less than one-tenth of one percent of what’s needed”, he says, presenting a pie chart (augh) of IEA data with a minuscule slice from batteries. But grid scale of batteries doesn’t need massive capacities to be functionally useful for managing the integration of renewables – so it’s a deeply misleading chart.

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In checking the information, I can’t find International Energy Agency data for “51 giga BTU” of battery capacity anywhere on their site. 546,000,000 “Giga BTUs” is 546,000,000,000,000 BTUs. which is 160,032,600,000,000 watt hours, or around 160,000 terawatt hours.

This is ‘primary energy supply’ – how much energy was generated, but includes the quantity of energy wasted through inefficiency. If you only look at global annual electricity – the field in which batteries play – it’s around 20,000 TWh (they use a similar deception for Germany’s biomass share). So it’s an extra dodgy comparison.

Gibbs has created a self-sustaining argument here. If someone builds a battery storage installation, he can visit the site and monotone sadly about its presence. If someone decides to not build that battery, he can look up the statistics and monotone sadly about the lack of battery capacity.

In an earlier scene, at the launch of the General Motors Chevy Volt (2010, of course), he complains that the cars are being charged by the coal-sodden electric grid of that state – another great example of the infinite loop Gibbs has created for himself, considering his reaction if more wind and solar were built to make that electricity cleaner.

There’s gas, too. They repeatedly claim that shutting down coal plants results in replacement with gas. And in the US, gas has indeed expanded to fill a decent proportion of the gap left by coal:

US Gas

The UK has a similar thing too, where both renewables and gas are squeezing out coal. But scroll back up to Denmark, above, where a combination of interconnection with other countries, massive wind build-out and coal and gas shutdown has cleaned up the grid. Or Germany, where gas output remains unchanged as coal plants shut down.

There is nothing inherent to renewable energy that makes gas compulsory. All that matter is how the transition is managed. For a long time, gas was sold as a transition fuel, including by organisations like the Breakthrough Institute. But it is becoming increasingly clear that while it might ease change, it isn’t compulsory, and the urgency of decarbonisation has increased.

 

This film is a long, slow painful monument to laziness

It feels so weird writing about these things again. I feel like I’ve been transported back in time ten years, back to my early days in the renewable energy industry. We’d combat these viral memes every single day.

The industry looks different now. Many wind companies have learnt that insensitive, clumsy development leads to backlash that is harmful for everyone, so they’ve started to clean up their act. Solar developers are figuring out more sustainable pathways than the boom and bust of government subsidies. The human rights issues around mining and materials are becoming more prominent. Renewable companies are taking waste removal seriously.

And then this documentary comes along – a dumb old bull in the china shop that is 2020’s hard-earned climate action environment. There’s a lot of fragile, hard-fought stuff to wreck in there, and Gibbs goes absolutely wild. He’s bulldozing a lot of hard work.

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Gibbs obviously has a long-running gripe with biomass, which has a whole range of serious issues associated with it. Though I don’t know the industry well, I suspect many of his gripes there are valid.

But the outright lies about wind and solar are serious and extremely harmful. Wind and solar aren’t just technological tools with enormous potential for decarbonisation. They also have massive potential to be owned by communities, deployed at small scales with minimal environmental harm, and removed with far less impact on where they were than large power stations like coal and gas. They do incredible things to electricity bills, they decentralise power (literally and figuratively), and with more work they can be scaled up to properly replace fossil fuels.

Gibbs isn’t interested in this stuff. No one in 2012 was. He’s armed with a list of dot points from climate denier blog Watts Up With That, and he’s ready to go. The key harm of this documentary is that it does what so many communicators struggle, but fail to do – it presents ideas from one ideological cluster into the world of another. It is very actively and successfully escaping the ‘bubble’, and selling far-right, climate-denier myths from nearly a decade ago to left-wing environmentalists in the 2020s, and going by much of the comments, it seems to be doing well. Gibbs is transcending both time and ideological space, held aloft by a system that provides prominence to mediocrity.

It’s tough to look past how popular this has been. The film’s been boosted because many interviews feature the popular and well-known producer Michael Moore, including on Stephen Colbert’s Late Show. Ludicrously, it received four stars (four. fucking. stars.) in the Guardian, a media outlet normally careful to not boost climate-denier grade misinformation.

All this prominence despite the fact that the film failed to find a distributor, and was dumped onto Youtube instead. “We’ve talked to sales agents. We believe that there will be a tremendous amount of interest in this film… This is going to get distributed. It will be seen”, Moore insisted last year.

It is clear that Gibbs’ starting point was a loathing of biomass, which then turned into a loathing of every single decarbonisation technology (except nuclear power, which isn’t mentioned in the film).

But he ends up at population control – a cruel, evil and racist ideology that you can see coming right from the start of the film. I wish I had the emotional energy to go into it, but I have spent it all. Earther’s Brian Kahn writes:

“There’s a reason that Breitbart and other conservative voices aligned with climate denial and fossil fuel companies have taken a shine to the film. It’s because it ignores the solution of holding power to account and sounds like a racist dog whistle”

The film features a parade of – solely – white Americans, mostly male, insisting the planet has to reduce its population. There is no information provided on which people in the world need to stop fucking, but we can take a guess, based on the demographics of the people doing the asking.

This documentary – particularly the parts on energy, renewables and industry- is extremely bad. It is Jeff Gibb’s 2010 Huffington Post blog drawn out in one hour and forty minutes, which feels like like a decade. I knew it would be lazy, but the magnitude of laziness here is incredible. It it mostly old. It is obviously re-hashing some specific gripes, like its attacks on the nicest guy in the whole of climate activism, Bill McKibben. I feel like I’ve barely scratched the surface and I’m like 2,000 words in. I don’t have the energy to glue together every single fragile thing that this bulldozer has destroyed.

It is the ultimate expression of lazy privilege to make something so void of effort, but so widely viewed and promoted. Criticism will be rebuffed as Not Being Able To Handle The Truth, or the classic We Just Wanted To Start A Discussion. It is still a package of old, dead ideas reheated by someone who knew that he did not need to put any effort into updating his thinking. There was no chance he would be talking to climate activists, talking to young people, talking to experts, talking to community advocates, talking to people from other countries, or really talking to anyone who wasn’t already mostly in his vicinity.

It should have faded off into the pit of Youtube’s unwatched terabytes, but it didn’t, because mediocrity is celebrated, boosted and broadcast if it comes from someone who looks and sounds the right way. That is a serious vulnerability. The hard work of climate and energy advocates, as they grapple with challenges like corporate malfeasance, the impacts of mining and bad development can be shattered by the monotone arrogance of a single person inflicted with the Dunning Kruger effect.

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Edit note #1 – 28/04/2020 – A kind commenter pointed out I’d snapped the wrong sub-section of SEGS in the satellite imagery (which explains why I couldn’t find the entrance gate on street view!

Turns out they visited SEGS 1, which stopped generating in ~2015, and was replaced by a facility know as Sunray 2. It is a newer, single-axis tracking PV module system, built in 2015-2016, and has generated 74 gigawatt hours since energisation. They must have visited in the short time between this replacement process. The upgrade meant no emissions on site, lower land use, no water for cooling and a lower environmental impact.

Edit note #2 – 29/04/2020 – I didn’t have time to dig into it, but the site Gibbs visit at the start of the doc is the ‘Kingdom Community Wind Farm’ in Vermont. Gibbs compares the construction of the wind farm to ‘mountain top coal’.

Here’s the completed wind farm (Gibbs’ footage is shot in fog, so there’s no perspective or scale):

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And here’s what mountaintop mining looks like:

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“Below the densely forested slopes of southern West Virginia’s Appalachian Mountains is a layer cake of thin coal seams. To uncover this coal profitably, mining companies engineer large—sometimes very large—surface mines using strip mining methods.
This image of a surface mine in Boone County, West Virginia from 2009.
Based on data from NASA’s Landsat 5 satellite, this natural-color (photo-like) image document the Hobet mine in 2009″ source

They are still paying the local community on a yearly basis. “As part of the Good Neighbor Fund, payments will be made to the following towns: Eden will receive $77,420, Albany $69,885, Craftsbury $33,851, and Westfield and Irasburg each will receive $10,000. The Good Neighbor Fund provides benefits to the five towns within five miles of the project not including the host town, Lowell, which receives significant tax revenue from the project. The payments are determined based on generation”, GMP said in 2016. As of 2019, they’re running regular tours of the site for locals.

“While some are critical of the turbines, Couture, who runs Couture’s Maple Shop and Bed and Breakfast in Westfield, told GMP that he can see the turbines outside his kitchen window, “and I love it. “I love that they are generating local power. My guests at the B&B love watching the turbines – I’ve never heard a negative comment””, wrote a local paper, in 2014. So much for mountaintop mining.

Edit note #3 – 01/05/2020 – Correcting my own edit! A kind reader pointed out Green Mountain Power was sold a few years back, so have removed a sentence that stated it was still owned locally.

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  1. Thank you Ketan. I’ve been helping to provide solar since 2012. I was baffled by all the old ideas and footage. Thanks for explaining why it looks dated, becuz it is!! Shame on Michael Moore. I was a big fan of his. I don’t understand why he would be promoting this total garbage.

    1. So can you tell me what are solar panels made off, and what mining site do you get the materials from? And how green is that? (Yes i got solar panels myself, because it saves me money). But i haven’t calculated from how much damage it does to the nature to make them. Can you be honest about this, and tell us how much damage it does to the nature to make solar panels? I like honesty pls. tell us.

      1. I’m not sure exactly what damage caused is caused by extracting materials for solar panels, but I’m sure it isn’t acidifying the oceans, raising sea levels, causing massive fires, droughts, huge hurricanes, etc, etc, etc.

      2. Dude, Ketan has written extensively about this in the past and included a really simple graph in this article addressing this.

    2. Old ideas? Do you mean like EV’s are not saving the environment? That’s an old idea that still pertains. Where do those EV’s get their power from? The grid? Thin air? What charges those batteries? The grid does. Where does the grid get its power. Coal? That’s better. I was not a big fan of Michael because I thought he was an extremist, but I didn’t think he was wrong. My perception has not changed. His information is right on. The people who are called environmentalists have sold their soul to capitalists and I knew days ago it was only a matter of time before the conflicted environmenalists would fight for their few remaining crumbs from the renewable energy pie.

      1. Very recent I think university of Oxford, a Dutch and others have published a peer reviewed study about just that. I don’t have the link here but you might find it it conclusion was that electric cars are better in 90% of the world even though the energy comes from a coal plant. That has been researched and no a diesel can’t clean the air. Most pollution from a electric car comes from the tires. But if you drive normally it is like a normal car. Breaks normally are responsible for around 40% of fine particles from a car. An ev has regen betaling to get some energy back as it slows down the car. That has an enormous impact on using the breaks.

        You also might want to look up the new progress made in recycling those turbine blades. Recycling of electric car battery’s. And maybe dive in, with the same mindset you show here, into the world of fossil fuels and how much they have damaged our earth already.

      2. EVs will get their electricity from many sources, but even in the US, which is backward regarding renewables due to its lack of political leadership, much of that is from solar panels and is stored in batteries. As for where does the grid get its power from, the answer just is not coal. In the US it is about 21% coal and falling fast, 44.5% gas and falling, and 30.6 Nuclear, and clean renewables. It is far higher for renewables across all of Europe and most of the world. As the grid uses more renewables, this will be almost entirely renewable energy. Coal is around 5% in most of Europe already and gas around 37%. So already renewables plus hydro plus nuclear is more than half.

      1. Can you provide a link? Michael Moore did not reply to any critique of the film on the Stephen Colbert show, as far as I can tell from YouTube.

  2. While it’s true that much of the bellyaching in the movie is on the old side, Gibbs could have been much tougher.
    For one, he doesn’t mention China which quickly became the world’s largest emitter and produces so much of the raw materials for the renewable industry and with far more emissions than any Western country.
    While he mentions 350.org often, he doesn’t say just how far past that barely safe point we’ve gone and what it’ll take to reduce the ppm to that level.
    50 yrs after the 1st Earth Day, all the protests, reductions, plans, recycling, reusing have amounted to just a smigde above sweet f*ck-all

  3. Throwing terms around like Climate derniers and old meme’s from 2009 doesn’t hold water as they weren’t coined then. The only fact that is proven in the story, is that you have no facts to back up your accusations. Just more lies…
    Now go sit down.

    1. Actually, he is pretty spot on with his assessment of this “film.” I was pretty disappointed with how fixated he was on certain aspects of renewable energy. This was the perfect opportunity to really go over all aspects of what humans are really doing to the planet – including plastics, meat, mono-crops, and so much more… but instead we got an hour and 40 minutes of solar and wind energy is bad, wood chips are actually billionaires burning trees, and we need to stop reproducing. Along with a LOT of dramatic pauses.

      1. You use HE twice in a way that contradicts, and it is unclear who the HE is. I got the impression from the film that it was an indictment of all human activities, so not sure what you mean — because it focused on how we were green-washed into accepting biomass and some other nasty aspects of so-called green technology. While make some unsavory trade-offs, we ignored other critical stuff being satisfied with some crumbs. The billionaire class cannot save us, and technology alone cannot. Nonetheless, we need a long discussion on what is appropriate and what should the final goal look like. I just wrote a long piece, as i am a huge proponent of mass decentralization, using the Transition Towns and Global Villages models.

    2. Oh Rob, if only you paid attention to places like Brazil, Germany, Northern EU the last 10 years.
      anyone who have been paying attention would have an eyebrow raised while watching the documentry.

      1. Brazil in 2018 bragged that they had increased their Biomass production by 11% that year. You think that is great? So, there are 3 places in the world you think are successful and that means it is now the best of all possible worlds for 8 billion people?

    3. Webster’s dictionary: climate change denial noun
      Definition of climate change denial
      : rejection of the idea that changes in the Earth’s climate or weather patterns are caused by human activity
      First Known Use of climate change denial
      2000, in the meaning defined above

  4. I’ve been intrigued by the responses to this documentary.

    I’d be interested in your response to this quote from the linked article (I think the stat on copper is incorrect but that doesn’t entirely derail the point being made):

    “To replace all UK-based vehicles today with electric vehicles (not including the LGV and HGV fleets), assuming they use the most resource-frugal next-generation NMC 811 batteries, would take 207,900 tonnes cobalt, 264,600 tonnes of lithium carbonate (LCE), at least 7,200 tonnes of neodymium and dysprosium, in addition to 2,362,500 tonnes copper. This represents, just under two times the total annual world cobalt production, nearly the entire world production of neodymium, three quarters the world’s lithium production and at least half of the world’s copper production during 2018. Even ensuring the annual supply of electric vehicles only, from 2035 as pledged, will require the UK to annually import the equivalent of the entire annual cobalt needs of European industry…

    “There are serious implications for the electrical power generation in the UK needed to recharge these vehicles. Using figures published for current EVs (Nissan Leaf, Renault Zoe), driving 252.5 billion miles uses at least 63 TWh of power. This will demand a 20% increase in UK generated electricity.

    “Challenges of using ‘green energy’ to power electric cars: If wind farms are chosen to generate the power for the projected two billion cars at UK average usage, this requires the equivalent of a further years’ worth of total global copper supply and 10 years’ worth of global neodymium and dysprosium production to build the windfarms.

    “Solar power is also problematic – it is also resource hungry; all the photovoltaic systems currently on the market are reliant on one or more raw materials classed as “critical” or “near critical” by the EU and/ or US Department of Energy (high purity silicon, indium, tellurium, gallium) because of their natural scarcity or their recovery as minor-by-products of other commodities. With a capacity factor of only ~10%, the UK would require ~72GW of photovoltaic input to fuel the EV fleet; over five times the current installed capacity. If CdTe-type photovoltaic power is used, that would consume over thirty years of current annual tellurium supply.

    “Both these wind turbine and solar generation options for the added electrical power generation capacity have substantial demands for steel, aluminium, cement and glass.”

    https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2020/03/05/because-the-economy-stupid/

    1. Funny how you use specific data regarding alternatives, but fail to mention the amount of oil and coal currently burned by the UK and how much CO2 is associated with it. By using large numbers you give the impression we’ll be running out of raw materials tomorrow.

      Do you have an agenda?

      One example of how wrong you are: cobalt is on the way out in car batteries, so in a couple of years the amount of cobalt in batteries will be zero or close to 0. Moreover, unlike oil and coal, batteries can and will be recycled.

      1. “In a couple of years” has been the mantra of the solar and wind industries for a long time. Let’s talk about the recent past. They have, in their calculations, utterly failed to even begin to account for things like (a) the correct failure rate of turbines, and (b) the massive amounts of land required to dispose of the non-biodegradable prop lades, (c) the millions of birds killed. Recently, in Minnesota, there was a 4 day lull during a big freeze, during which the wind farms produces somthing like 0.2% of capacity. And, of course, the electric cars were near useless because the batteries don’t work well in extreme cold. (Oops!). IF an author is going to rely so extensively on pejoratives and name-calling as Mr. Joshi has, then he should also be willing to present the other side.

    2. The UK has a fairly miserable climate for solar, but terrific wind capacity, so it is often picked for misinformation. In winter stronger winds help balance reduced solar intensity. Suggesting we would use entirely solar (at 10% capacity factor no less!) for 100% EV take-up is constructing an entirely ridiculous straw man. We have around 40% renewables in the grid now (rising) and I believe this will replace gasoline for light vehicles (which is 0% renewable). Mostly because EVs are simpler, much cheaper to run and will likely be at price parity well within this decade. Grid renewables (solar and wind) are cheaper to operate and we are lucky to have so much off-shore wind capacity.

    3. A sustainable future doesn’t just mean replacing our current lifestyle with equivalent renewable tech. We also need to overcome the car dependent culture that we live in and start to think of others when we make choices about how (and if) we need to travel.

    4. The world is working flat out on a replacement for Cobalt and other rare earth metals for EV batteries. There are also some credible efforts for the replacement of Lithium itself using other, more common metals. Which is why the world is working towards driving down the cost of electricity using renewables, because they are really cheap compared to gas and coal, and using this to create Green hydrogen from water plus electricity using hydrolysis – even if you use Natural gas and a well understood system called steam reforming, you get hydrogen (its just you are left with tons of CO2 to get rid of. This is at the price of around $2.50 per kg of hydrogen, which makes fuel for cars which you do not burn, but which creates electricity using an ion reaction – the Hydrogen Fuel Cell, well understood, look it up on wikipedia. That replaces batteries after ten years or so once they all have electric engines. It drives cars at the equivalent of a barrel of oil being $8. so not just no CO2, but about 10% of the price for transport fuel.

    5. I you replaced every car in the UK today with the exact same car what are the numbers? I’d like to compare.

  5. His info on solar and wind might be outdated – but his critisism of biomass is spot-on! There’s massive clearing of forests around the world to power electricity generation and make biofuels. A double whammy for climate and the environment.

  6. Thanks for the review of the film.
    On balance, despite the fact that the film has dated footage—and has a negative bias towards certain people and events—the film is still very good and definitely worth watching. I would recommend the film because it shows one person’s journey as he asks deep questions about the sustainability of green energy and the existing economic paradigm. According to scientific studies (not mentioned in the film) there are genuine reasons to believe that humanity is overshooting the Earth’s carrying capacity, despite attempts to decarbonise. These issues could have been reviewed in a more scientific way, but the film is not trying to be deeply scientific—because it is an intuitive film with a subtext that is telling us that human civilisation is in serious trouble because we are not living within the boundaries of the planetary ecosystem.
    The idea that solar PV is exponentially improving in energy efficiency (Swanson’s Law) is encouraging—and very welcome—but energy efficiency gains are not sufficient to resolve the climate-related risk because cheaper energy tends to increase overall consumption—as William Jevons first noted in the 1800’s.

    1. I liked your point about this film being intuitive, not so much scientifically accurate… one person’s journey, so-to-speak. I can understand that. I think though that’s what bothered me about it. That and the fact that he seemed so fixated on specific environmental issues. Focused on one tree and unable to see the entire forest.
      I have mixed feelings about the film and would probably only recommend it to CERTAIN people because of how biased it is. It’s not well rounded enough to grab people enough. It’s too egocentric, oddly. Despite the fact that his intention was probably the exact opposite.

      1. Delton Chen’s post makes sense, *except* for the part about the film being intuitive. Intuition is important, but when you’re presenting results to others it’s not enough; you need a bit of scientific rigour, you need to justify your conclusions.

    2. Definitely that true. If technology advanced so much since 2012, then where did all the old tech go? Did it just poof into thin air, to be replaced by new technology? Is it now made out of easy to obtain materials that do not need extra difficult mining or blowing up of mountain tops?
      Also, with all this free forever renewable energy, what do we do with it? Cover the Earth with more cars, roads, buildings… make more products to be consumed while poisoning all water and land resources?
      It all isn’t going anywhere good, but our demise on the planet, taking with us most the planet’s biodiversity.

  7. While it’s true that much of the bellyaching in the movie is on the old side, Gibbs could have been much tougher.
    For one, he doesn’t mention China which quickly became the world’s largest emitter and produces so much of the raw materials for the renewable industry and with far more emissions than any Western country.
    While he mentions 350.org often, he doesn’t say just how far past that barely safe point we’ve gone and what it’ll take to reduce the ppm to that level.
    50 yrs after the 1st Earth Day, all the protests, reductions, plans, recycling, reusing have amounted to nearly nothing

    1. Do you know what would be if all that reduction, recycling and reusing wouldn’t happen? Saying it amounts to nearly nothing is quite arbitrary if you can’t produce convincing arguments for why you think so. The fact that it’s not nearly enough to get us where we’d ideally be doesn’t imply that we wouldn’t still be much better off having it than not having it.

  8. Ow wow, it looks soo good.
    Wind and solar are THE solution.
    Except when the wind is not blowing and at night when the sun is down.
    There is NO cheap. CO2 free, reliable back up resource.
    Needed for weeks if not months.
    Here in The Netherlands they are busy with smart grid techniques. Only a few million EV cars are needed to get it to work. Ofcourse. (See the reaction above about materials.)
    .
    The next thing I hate: Yeah, they say: the new windmills and solar planels are so much better. 20%, no 25%, no even 40%!
    What do you think about a company that has not the newest stuff?
    Sink an investment of a few million into the gutter?
    This “old” stuff is there and not going away because the newer is better!
    Dismantle a windpark with 150 4MW mills. Just installed 3 years ago?
    Replace it with 8MW mills? Do you realy think like that?
    Do you buy a new car every year because the new color is more beautiful?

  9. I’ve been waiting for someone to do this — and so grateful you’ve stepped up and done such a great job of it (style and substance). One minor error/typo (spotted it because I also checked the same web page today): the Cedar Street Solar Array currently (according to the utility that owns it) “consists of 824 photovoltaic panels with a gross generating capacity of 150 kilowatts.” You mixed up those numbers. But that’s its current capacity (pun unintended). Google tells me they were only planning 432 panels when they announced it way back in 2008. 432 panels at 8% efficiency seems a more likely fit for the meagre performance quoted by the rep in the doc.

  10. Hello Ketan, excellent done. After watching “Planet of the Humans” I could not comprehend the level of misinformation about wind and solar energy. Happy to find your well written article.
    What are your thoughts about Power-to-Gas and redox flow batterys? Maybe this be worth as a new article about solutions to counter the “wind and solar are too intermittent” meme.
    Best regards

  11. Frankly, I am relieved to hear that some of this film’s data on renewals is not up-to-date, and that renewables may indeed be a viable alternative to fossil fuels. However, the film does make some valid points, which I hope won’t be thrown out because of the other refutations. 1) Biomass is not a logical alternative to fossil fuels, since we should be planting trees and not burning them. The film shows that some big money is behind biomass and I am glad to be forewarned. 2) We cannot continue to consume resources at our current pace, and just assume we can substitute renewables for fossil fuels. Degrowth is important.

  12. Like all renewable energy advocates, the author fails to mention Energy Returned on Energy Invested (EROEI). I am so sick of this constant omission.
    Did those derelict turbines return the total energy that was used to manufacture, maintain and dispose of them? Will the EROEI of modern replacements be positive? The onus on those that advocate these devices to prove that they do.
    All things included. Sustaining and educating a population for example which, then must include manufacturing and transport of just about everything.

      1. No mention of the boundaries in any of the discussed EROEI analysis. Like I said, everything must be included and not just the manufacturing process.
        Banks, schools, farms, repair shops, hairdressers……
        Also needs to be mentioned and never is, is the mining and extraction of rare earth minerals for which, there in not one stage in the extraction and refining process that isn’t detrimental to the environment.
        Also never mention is decommissioning. Conveniently never included in any EROEI analysis that promotes the “clean green” energy.

      2. In response to Harquebus,

        > “No mention of the boundaries in any of the discussed EROEI analysis.”
        > “Also never mention is decommissioning.”
        Are they included in the EROEI analysis of anything else? If not, why should they count against renewables in particular? Do they require more of this than the regular power plants?

        > “Banks, schools, farms, repair shops, hairdressers……”
        Is this a list of your favorite things or just something that is uniquely specific to or harmed by renewable energy?

        > “mining and extraction of rare earth minerals”
        I like that mining for tiny amounts of materials that are used in SOME (not all) cases only suddenly becomes a problem when creating something long-lasting and recycleable but is completely fine when you do it for something that you can only burn once and have it disappear into thin air, literally, forever. Takes a special sort of double standards.

        I know this might sound surprising, but pretty much everything you use requires some sort of mining. This is the reality that we need to work with. Plastic, metal, glass: they don’t magically appear in a storehouse—they need to be extracted first. Or grown, as in case with wood, plant fiber and the like. Or recycled! But things that you burn during use cannot be recycled. Thing that don’t burn during use, can. For every ton of material recovered upon extraction you need one less ton of that material extracted from the earth. This is subject to some serious multiplicative factors, as in practice, in many cases over 90% of material mass can be recovered using modern recycling techniques while less than 10% of extracted mass is turned into useful material upon extraction simply because it’s not naturally very well-concentrated. Moreover, recycling efficiency consistently goes up over time while extraction efficiency goes down as the easier-accessible deposits get depleted. This is a pretty damning difference when it comes to the environmental footprint, so the less you extract and the more you recycle, the better. Can you recycle PVs, wind turbines, batteries? Yes, and we already do that. Can you recycle coal, oil, gas? No. Case closed.

      3. moozooh
        First, I am not a fossil fuel advocate. My preference was voluntary population reduction.

        My understanding is that fossil fuel generators are EROEI positive due to their high energy density fuel. Millions of years worth of stored solar energy burned in a few centuries.
        Direct solar energy is diffuse and takes time and space to collect it. If we are to invest precious fossil energy into solar and wind then, advocates of these technologies MUST, from sandpit to rubbish dump and everything in between, prove their viability in energy cost.

        The list is partial. Rare earths is only another consideration. Recycling uses too much energy for too little return to be viable. The recycling industry’s days are numbered.

        Avagoodwun
        Cheers.

    1. I mean, there’s a really simple graph right there in the article. I don’t know what more he could’ve done. I’m finding this quite depressing.

    2. WordPress won’t let me reply directly to your May 2 reply, but … in reply to that, the paper described here (https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-wind-nuclear-amazingly-low-carbon-footprints) is behind a paywall in Nature Energy. Don’t know about you, but I’m pretty confident the editors and peer reviewers of that top-shelf science journal wouldn’t have been satisfied with life-cycle analyses that are full of holes. Their findings are that the EROI values of wind and solar are very high and superior to coal and gas. Of course, when they compared full life-cycle carbon footprints, wind and solar were at last an order of magnitude cleaner, surprisingly even compared to coal and gas with sequestration. I think the onus for someone with a highly counterintuitive (if not counterfactual) hypothesis like yours is to present scientific evidence to refute the null hypothesis that green energy is cleaner (full lifecycle), not the other way around.

  13. It seams to me the article on the film is missing the point.
    The point was over the whole film is there is no free ride. That the new green movent has been high jacked by greed. Wind and solar need to be backed up with good base power (coal) and that being the case there is no need to go to the expenses and cause the extra pollution over and above the power station is already making . The green movent is just adding to the issue not solving like the people have been told.

    1. The article’s point was that is factually incorrect. Look at the UK’s generation over time. Fossil fuel use declined dramatically, something which according to this film doesn’t happen with more renewable generation

  14. Your words “mediocrity is celebrated, boosted and broadcast if it comes from someone who looks and sounds the right way” apply not just to this film’s reception but aptly sum up almost everything that is wrong with mass media. End result – semi-literate or lying politicians get elected to pursue policies that are bad in design or service vested interests be it environment or any other issue.

  15. The real shame of both sides of this is they intentionally left out nuclear energy. Nuclear energy doesn’t have to be dangerous or polluting anymore. Talk to scientists instead of activists.

    1. No but nuclear energy in its current form is ruinously expensive and new SMRs (Small modular reactors) MAY put nuclear back on track but the 30 or so designs for this are either 5 years away from first installation or ten.

  16. Why would you include a blatant factual error?
    You claim that nuclear energy is not mentioned in the film.
    Sure, its mention is brief, trivial, insubstantial… but it is present.

    Your major failing is your omission of the key take-away points of the film:
    CronyCorpiratist predatory-parasitism has seriously co-opted and undermined efforts at
    alternative / renewable energy development. Your cursory casual dismissal of billionaires
    as a tired old trope (and its implicit exoneration of the trickle-up psychosociopathic eco-cidal neofeudalist kleptocracy which creates billionaires) is a significant shortcoming.

    Radical reductions of resource consumption and GHG emissions are required.
    (DeGrowth, DrawDown, DeepAdaptation, deglobalization, relocalization)

    If you purport to debunk / takedown the docu, your languaging and content must be
    perfect and optimized and retain the core message; write the storyline that wasn’t
    – otherwise it is merely fodder for the reactionary BAU denialists.

  17. This sounds like a polemic if not a screed, and your selective focus leaves me doubtful of your analysis. So I guess I’ll need to do my own fact checking.
    Meanwhile, the film really only touches on the issue of population .. and you think that’s NOT a real problem? That was Harding’s real focus in his discussion of the difficulty of managing the commons for the common good.

  18. That lower graph is interesting.You RE enthusiasts want to replace that broad two tone brown streak with that little flattening green wedge on the bottom — and I believe some of you want to do half of that in ten year?
    That whitish, blue, grey band is about three quarters nuclear. I;d say tripling or quadrupling it would be the best bet.

  19. I think you miss the real point of the film. Your biased mind has only made you see what you were anyway, looking for.

    The film is in no way a denier of climate change. If that is your conclusion, I’m afraid you have very weak comprehension skills. Please rewatch the film and honestly ask yourself if climate change is ever denied.

    In fact, I feel sorry for you, because I really do think Moore is on your side. Not against you. There could be inaccuracies in the film about solar energy but despite that I think you are fighting someone who is actually not your enemy.

  20. We need to dispel with the myth that addressing over-population is “cruel, evil and racist.” It is the the single most urgent issue our planet faces. In fact, to not deal with the 8 billion elephants in the room is what is cruel, evil and rascist. I wish the film went deeper into this third-rail conversation! For perspective and beautifully explained context please read the work of Daniel Quinn, especially his earth shaking flagship, Ishmael. Using the laws of nature, ecology, culture, mythology, anthropology, and science he demonstrates gorgeously how our one culture flew the coop and has pushed the world to the brink of extinction, by and large by over population and by embracing the toxic, arrogant premise that the world was made for man and that man was made to conquer and rule it. And that all food is human food. No other animal in the history of Earth has ever acted this way. (You know who has not adopted this premise? Indigenous people, wherever they are still holding on!) For millions of years the Earth was sustainable. Now, it is not. Don’t brush this one under the rug.

    1. Most western societies have stopped growing their population, with the exception of migration. which is why it is such a tough, unpalatable, subject and people are accused of racism when they bring it up. Highly advanced societies stop growing population from within on their own – no need to do anything about it. But agrarian poor countries do not, and then economic migration happens. This is, in essence the entire problem. When 3 billion people who rely on the melting snow waters of the Himalayas, get a drought due to climate change, they will try to travel to neighboring countries – who will stop them, and war will ensue. Many of these countries – China, India, Pakistan – have nuclear weapons. Bang. This is best solved by A) Stopping climate change and B) Helping poor countries so they do not develop economic migrants. How do you do that? With Solar and Wind. And plenty of foreign aid. And a few others things like a strong NATO, etc…

  21. Well written and well researched review! I still love Michael Moore and hope his next film is back to his previous standards.

  22. I read this discussion with great interest after watching the planet of the humans. the message I got from the movie is that business -as-usual has and will take over any technology that is not governed by an overarching human determination to self-restrain. Developed countries must consume less: less travel, less new clothes, less disposable goods, less toys and very importantly less energy…less. Developing countries must be assisted by global reparation payments to increase well being to the point that large families are not considered necessary for survival ( a voluntary and demonstrated process). Let the discussion continue. Biomass fuel production is currently harming my region. I live well within the damage range of the Hanford Nuclear waste facility. Neither technology is the answer going forward.

  23. So why don’t you add to your conclusion that you are:
    – Pro destruction of nature for making solar panels.
    – Pro destruction of nature for making wind mills.
    – And certainly PRO bio-fuell, for the destruction of all forest in the world.
    Why don’t you add that to your conclusion in this article ?

    1. Guess what the biggest ingredient of wind farms are. Carbon fiber? Best use for it. And solar can now be made with perovskite, based on minerals that are in abundance. Solar is not harmful to nature, and neither are wind farms.

  24. Thanks so much Ketan – this is really well thought out – and your experience speaks volumes here. The criticism of wind and solar seemed out of context; he was in need of current experts. Such a shame so much energy got devoted to outdated concepts. And he should not have criticized McKibben (that footage is also completely outdated).

    It does seem to me that Moore (and Gibbs) gained much from the film and scientists featured in BURNED: ARE TREES THE NEW COAL?

    – a strong production – while they deconstructed biomass energy production. As you can see from Robin’s comments above, biomass is fuel production is harming regions – and is expanding at an alarming rate. That’s really the only part of the film I was interested in.

    You’ve definitely put the first 52 minutes into context. Hope your piece is featured widely.
    Thanks again,
    Maya Khosla

  25. I don’t really care about the wind or solar energy part. One thing that is not a lie in this documentary. Is that they are destroying huge part of nature areas to build this green energy. I don’t call that part green. Nighter is the productions of batteries, solar or windmills.

  26. Wind turbines are devastating to the prairie ecosystem here in Kansas. Promoters of “green” industries don’t seem to be in touch with nature at all–not with real wildlife or real wildlife habitat.

  27. Documentary most salient point. If we rely on big money and industry, for profit entities to save the planet, we are doomed as a planet….

  28. Green grifter and self realised 97% brainiac Ketan Joshi has a pathetic attempt takedown of the film, wheeling out the ole “racism” meme …

    “The film features a parade of – solely – white Americans, mostly male, insisting the planet has to reduce its population. There is no information provided on which people in the world need to stop fucking, but we can take a guess, based on the demographics of the people doing the asking.”

    https://ketanjoshi.co/2020/04/24/planet-of-the-humans-a-reheated-mess-of-lazy-old-myths/

    Here is some info for Ketan he missed:

    UK aid helps to fund forced sterilisation of India’s poor

    “Yet a working paper published by the UK’s Department for International Development in 2010 cited the need to fight climate change as one of the key reasons for pressing ahead with such programmes. The document argued that reducing population numbers would cut greenhouse gases …”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/15/uk-aid-forced-sterilisation-india

    Go get those racists, Ketan!

    1. And really who are the rasicts? Aren’t the Democratic Green type people all for abortion, which at a per capita rate are higher for black and brown people. That comment is a freaking joke. The author puts all his effort into semi-refuting the documentary and says, ‘yea burning trees is troublesome” but then goes back on his tirade about everything else. It’s funny when Michael Moore makes a movie the liberals like there is no disagreement with him at all and he is God-like, but boy, just let him make a documentary that they don’t like and he is the anti-christ.

  29. Unfortunately Michael Moore has become sort of a joke. This kind of noise is obviously designed to appeal to boomers, who despite their “liberal” pretensions walk around carrying a whole lot of dated gibberish in their aging heads. The whole “population problem” is kind of like “Pluto is SO a planet”- a long discarded data point they just can’t let go of. They learned it was a pressing issue back in the 70s so they’re convinced it must still be one, declining reproduction rates worldwide notwithstanding. Plus, it feeds into their desire to get the kids off their lawn and gripe about the crying babies at the local Applebee’s.

    Meanwhile, solar panel efficiency continues to get better and no, as the author here notes, humans aren’t going to stop having sex (and making more humans) just because Karen wants them to. I bet this tripe wouldn’t go over with its intended audience of cranky grayhairs so well if the filmmakers pushed solving the ‘population problem’ the way they did it in Logan’s Run.

    1. 1. Your sad appeals to ageism (“aging heads”, “cranky grayhairs”) will not “age well.” Trust me. If you’re lucky, some day you’ll be old enough to understand.
      2. People concerned about overpopulation aren’t suggesting that people either stop having sex OR making more humans.

    2. Think again. Global population is still rising at a rate of 1 million new people every 4.5 days. Meanwhile the size of the planet has remained stubbornly stable. Apply logic. What do you think will happen? Not a problem? Really?

  30. I agree with the reviews of the film setting out its many faults but one thing still bugs me. In the film we see records of some pretty bad investments made by the foundation claimed to be associated with 350.org. In his response to the film Bill McKibben sets out how his connection to biomass has changed, but he fails to address the funding point in any detail and appears to still be dodging the question. So whats the truth ? Perhaps the other board members from 350 can enlighten us on what foundations they rely on for funding and what those foundations have invested in.

  31. I was fine right up until you dropped this bombshell:

    “But he [Gibbs] ends up at population control – a cruel, evil and racist ideology that you can see coming right from the start of the film. I wish I had the emotional energy to go into it, but I have spent it all. “

    I am hoping that this view of population (“control”?) will be a thing of the past someday. Hopefully not too late. Your implication is that overpopulation is not a fact but an ideology. This shows the danger of bringing up population as a short, glib sound bite, not presenting the whole picture, which is what Gibbs did in the movie. It leaves people (like you) to fall back on their preconceived notions. Many of those notions equate overpopulation with racism, very unfairly.

    Why is it, even the otherwise-green see red when we bring up population?

  32. Lots of work to complain some info is kinda old. Like less than a decade. As if there was some kind of grant technological evolution in the last 8 years that makes solar panels and wind turbines be made out of something else. There really hasn’t. Just incremental improvements with almost all the same long term drawbacks. And billionaires are even more ingrained and set to exploit the green movement and rake in government subsidies while hiding behind the green facade.

  33. Thanks Ketan. Thanks for the conciseness, and thanks for (just) enough detail so I don’t have to subject myself to it. I knew what to expect and was trying to find the mental energy but thanks to your blog post I can re-watch the Lego movie instead.

  34. a lot of out of date rubbish but Gibbs comes to a correct conclusion: too many people consuming too much per capita, but emanciaption of women results in control of their own bodies and fertility, lowering of birthrate, less children per woman, better and longer education, full choice of careers, better health physical and mental, and a slow gradual decrease in population. Solar panels are now 7 times cheaper and 7 times more effective than what is quoted in the film, and the excess power I produce from my roof is stored or fed into the grid. No fossil fuels and no pollution. As for destroying forests for biomass, I have been fighting this for decades!

  35. For me the main take home of the piece was the involvement in greenwashing projects that operate within the same economic models as simply burning coal for power, for profit by wealthy individuals the Koch brothers and the critique of the billionaire class. What’s your take on that aspect? Do you have more up to date information on the funding for and who profits from renewable energy installations that have been built or refurbished in the lat ten years worldwide?

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